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Mar. 5th, 2010 02:05 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ysobelOkay, so. I am trying to figure out how to do various non-basic stitches on the loom, because I've got knit and kbl/e-wrap and purl all down -- can't do 'em perfectly all the time, but I have them -- and a lot of the patterns I want to do involve either lacework (at least a bit) or shaping or both.
I am using http://loomknittinghelp.com, as it has the clearest instructions I've found, and I'm ... well ... getting kind of confused. At least with the decreases.
For the sake of simplicity, there are only two pegs, Left Peg and Right Peg, and two existing peg-wraps (stitches, loops, whatever), Left Wrap and Right Wrap. I am also including lkh.com's actual instructions, copied and pasted, under my summarized version.
For k2tog: Move Left Wrap onto Right Peg (above Right Wrap). Knit off.
For ssk: Pick up Right Wrap. Move Left Wrap to Right Peg. Replace Right Wrap (above Left Wrap). Knit off.
... what's confusing me is, why is ssk so much more complicated than k2tog? Why not just move the Right Wrap to the Left Peg and knit off? You still have a peg with RW above (and therefore behind) LW.
For skp: Move Left Wrap onto Right Peg (above Right Wrap). Knit off.
... is skp really the same as k2tog? Because. I kind of thought they were different directions.
The annoying thing is, the pattern I'm doing now just has k2tog and ssk, but since I can't figure out whether it's skp or k2tog that's wrong, I'm afraid to even try. (And with the loom, you can't really see the results of a stitch until it's a few rows down.)
Yaaaah.
I am using http://loomknittinghelp.com, as it has the clearest instructions I've found, and I'm ... well ... getting kind of confused. At least with the decreases.
For the sake of simplicity, there are only two pegs, Left Peg and Right Peg, and two existing peg-wraps (stitches, loops, whatever), Left Wrap and Right Wrap. I am also including lkh.com's actual instructions, copied and pasted, under my summarized version.
For k2tog: Move Left Wrap onto Right Peg (above Right Wrap). Knit off.
1. Move the wrap of the peg to the left on top of the peg you want to knit a k2tog stitch.
2. Bring the working yarn in front of the peg, above the two wraps.
3. Lift the bottom two wraps over the working yarn to knit off the peg.
4. Pull on the new wrap a bit with the knitting tool to make it looser.
For ssk: Pick up Right Wrap. Move Left Wrap to Right Peg. Replace Right Wrap (above Left Wrap). Knit off.
1. Pick up one loop and hold it on your knitting tool.
2. Take the wrap off of the peg to the left and put it on the empty peg to the right.
3. Put the wrap on your knitting tool back on the peg on top of the moved wrap.
4. Bring the working yarn in front of the peg, above the two wraps.
5. Lift the bottom two wraps over the working yarn to knit off the peg.
6. Pull on the new wrap a bit with the knitting tool to make it looser.
... what's confusing me is, why is ssk so much more complicated than k2tog? Why not just move the Right Wrap to the Left Peg and knit off? You still have a peg with RW above (and therefore behind) LW.
For skp: Move Left Wrap onto Right Peg (above Right Wrap). Knit off.
1. Move the wrap of the peg to the left on top of the peg you want to knit an SKP stitch.
2. Bring the working yarn in front of the peg, above the two wraps.
3. Lift the bottom two wraps over the working yarn to knit off the peg.
4. Pull on the new wrap a bit with the knitting tool to make it looser.
... is skp really the same as k2tog? Because. I kind of thought they were different directions.
The annoying thing is, the pattern I'm doing now just has k2tog and ssk, but since I can't figure out whether it's skp or k2tog that's wrong, I'm afraid to even try. (And with the loom, you can't really see the results of a stitch until it's a few rows down.)
Yaaaah.
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Date: 2010-03-06 03:04 am (UTC)Ssk is ... you could probably do it the way you said, I'd think. But do you have some test yarn you could try (on your other loom maybe, you have two right)?
Skp confuses me... I'd think the directions listed are for k2tog, and I also think that k2tog and ssk should be different directions, and skp is completely separate. Then again, I recently found out I'd been doing ssk wrong my whole life!
Skp should be... hm. Technically, hm. I am trying to picture in my head how you'd make that work. But what I'm coming up with doesn't make much sense. I mean, you could skip a peg, knit one, and then bring the just-knit one back to the skipped peg and knit that one. But I don't know that'd do what you want.
Maybe I should get a loom to test things on!
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Date: 2010-03-06 03:24 am (UTC)I knit with needles instead of a loom, but if your stitches are supposed to have the same end result, then it's ssk and skp that are supposed to be identical. Both of them give you a decrease that has the right stitch on top.
As for the weirdness of the ssk directions... does all the shuffling around maybe twist one of the stitches? Or would having to skip the peg the right stitch used to be on do wonky things to your tension? Otherwise, yeah, it seems like picking up the right one and putting it on the left one would get the same results with less effort.
(I've found another knitter! *subscribes to you*)
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Date: 2010-03-06 09:13 am (UTC)