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ysobelSo, um.
As I understand it, the Mirrorverse is fairly closely linked to the standard 'verse; I don't remember the DS9 eps and haven't seen any of Enterprise, but my understanding is that the other-series eps connect with parallel points in the same alternate universe.
The Rebootverse is an alternate reality, but of a different sort. It is not the Mirrorverse, for obvious reasons -- Reboot (which I've also seen people calling AOS -- alternate original series? -- which I may start using because, hey, TLA) is a single-point digression, which Mirrorverse (MOS? *grin*) is so fucking not. Also, AOS is set up as a replacement reality, not a parallel-simultaneous reality.
So, I find myself asking: how do the events of the movie affect the Mirrorverse? And also: how many of the realities /are/ there, and how do they interact?
Option A is that the primary reality dictates the mirror reality, in general form, and thus the events of the movie happen, with reasonably similar outcome (eg destruction of Vulcan). TOS characters can access the original MOS, AOS characters can access the alternate mirror universe (AMOS?).
Option B is that the primary reality dictates the mirror reality but to a lesser extent, and you have the same TOS-MOS/AOS-AMOS duality, but Vulcan isn't necessarily destroyed in the AMOS, and the events didn't unfold the same way.
Option C is that the primary reality doesn't dictate the alternate reality at all, and so the events of the movie never happened in the Mirrorverse. Which means that MOS is accessible from both TOS and AOS. And either 1) MOS/AMOS are the same reality, in which case one would need to allow for the possibility of TOS-AOS travel via the MOS (unless there is some link that only lets you go back to your own reality), and would also need to either have the MOS crew go "oh fuck not this again", if AOS folk swap through after Mirror, Mirror, or explain why the MOS people didn't do that with Kirk et all; or 2) they are separate but identical (up through the first TOS/AOS visit), which is at least less headache-inducing.
Option D, of course, is that all four realities exist simultaneously, in which case the Spock in my head is kind of sulking about not being able to pop in to TOS for a visit to Vulcan... and alsokidnapping bringing some back with him for repopulation purposes.
Which brings me to the other point. I'd gotten myself so enmeshed in the Stargate theory of jumping between realities (you go as yourself, and there are entropic cascade issues if you're around for too long blah blah blah) that I'd forgotten that the Mirrorverse didn't involve bodily transfer, just consciousness/identity. Which is good, in that it means there isn't a "hey you're in the wrong uniform" moment (or, if I send Spock through, a "wtf beard" moment, at least on the part of other people, though the Spocks would be kind of miffed), but it's also ... kind of weird. ...and explains why they can't steal Vulcans for resettlement.
(It also baffles me as to how the return in Mirror, Mirror *worked*. Because there's no reason why Spock would have had the Mirrorverse folk on the transporter at exactly the same time. Unless it was just a matter of needing the transporter in one direction, in which case why were Spock et al in the transporter room? ...though if it *is* a one-directional swap, that will mean even *more* fun for Spock when I send him through, because he's going to have to explain to mirrorverse Uhura why he can't take her with him. Kirk skated by, kind of, on the "it's calibrated for four"excuse defense. Spock would probably realize the implication of the bodyswapness, and realize that bringing Uhura with him would swap her with AOS Uhura. And I don't think he'd want to lie to her either.)
Sort of relatedly, I am kind of glad I dropped out of![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
stargate_summer, because the fic I would have written? is embarrassingly close to Mirror, Mirror. I mean, not really, but it's got the same mechanism of transfer (except substituting stargate for transporter) and the same plot device and augh *wibbles*
As I understand it, the Mirrorverse is fairly closely linked to the standard 'verse; I don't remember the DS9 eps and haven't seen any of Enterprise, but my understanding is that the other-series eps connect with parallel points in the same alternate universe.
The Rebootverse is an alternate reality, but of a different sort. It is not the Mirrorverse, for obvious reasons -- Reboot (which I've also seen people calling AOS -- alternate original series? -- which I may start using because, hey, TLA) is a single-point digression, which Mirrorverse (MOS? *grin*) is so fucking not. Also, AOS is set up as a replacement reality, not a parallel-simultaneous reality.
So, I find myself asking: how do the events of the movie affect the Mirrorverse? And also: how many of the realities /are/ there, and how do they interact?
Option A is that the primary reality dictates the mirror reality, in general form, and thus the events of the movie happen, with reasonably similar outcome (eg destruction of Vulcan). TOS characters can access the original MOS, AOS characters can access the alternate mirror universe (AMOS?).
Option B is that the primary reality dictates the mirror reality but to a lesser extent, and you have the same TOS-MOS/AOS-AMOS duality, but Vulcan isn't necessarily destroyed in the AMOS, and the events didn't unfold the same way.
Option C is that the primary reality doesn't dictate the alternate reality at all, and so the events of the movie never happened in the Mirrorverse. Which means that MOS is accessible from both TOS and AOS. And either 1) MOS/AMOS are the same reality, in which case one would need to allow for the possibility of TOS-AOS travel via the MOS (unless there is some link that only lets you go back to your own reality), and would also need to either have the MOS crew go "oh fuck not this again", if AOS folk swap through after Mirror, Mirror, or explain why the MOS people didn't do that with Kirk et all; or 2) they are separate but identical (up through the first TOS/AOS visit), which is at least less headache-inducing.
Option D, of course, is that all four realities exist simultaneously, in which case the Spock in my head is kind of sulking about not being able to pop in to TOS for a visit to Vulcan... and also
Which brings me to the other point. I'd gotten myself so enmeshed in the Stargate theory of jumping between realities (you go as yourself, and there are entropic cascade issues if you're around for too long blah blah blah) that I'd forgotten that the Mirrorverse didn't involve bodily transfer, just consciousness/identity. Which is good, in that it means there isn't a "hey you're in the wrong uniform" moment (or, if I send Spock through, a "wtf beard" moment, at least on the part of other people, though the Spocks would be kind of miffed), but it's also ... kind of weird. ...and explains why they can't steal Vulcans for resettlement.
(It also baffles me as to how the return in Mirror, Mirror *worked*. Because there's no reason why Spock would have had the Mirrorverse folk on the transporter at exactly the same time. Unless it was just a matter of needing the transporter in one direction, in which case why were Spock et al in the transporter room? ...though if it *is* a one-directional swap, that will mean even *more* fun for Spock when I send him through, because he's going to have to explain to mirrorverse Uhura why he can't take her with him. Kirk skated by, kind of, on the "it's calibrated for four"
Sort of relatedly, I am kind of glad I dropped out of
stargate_summer, because the fic I would have written? is embarrassingly close to Mirror, Mirror. I mean, not really, but it's got the same mechanism of transfer (except substituting stargate for transporter) and the same plot device and augh *wibbles*
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Date: 2009-06-12 01:21 pm (UTC)But that's what they already did in "There But For the Grace of God..." and "Point of View." They even called it a Quantum Mirror! I mean, when the source material rips off Star Trek in first season, I, at least, consider it to be a valid thing to do in fanfic.
Of course, I'm totally shameless, as we already know.